>> so, are promises of massive tax hikes, taxing the jobs market? hi, everyone, i'm brenda buttner, this is bulls and bears, here they are, bulls and bears this week, gary b smith, tobin smith, jonas max ferris, along with julian epstein and larry, talk about future tax hikes, holding back a jobs recovery? >> that's right, that's right, brenda. well, you know, certainly for consumers that are work being that have 401(k) plans they may be feeling more confident these days, but their employers don't share the optimism. they're worried what's ahead and what's ahead are future tax increases, for small business owners still, these are people that own delis and dry cleaners and pave your driveways, not fat cats and million fairs and billionaires, they're average work people and concerned about the environment. and national independent business owners a record number of people. a bad time to start a business and a bad time to hire people.